Hi all, I’ve been engaged to write an intermediate statistics book using R, and I’m having a moment of crisis. I’ve got my own way of doing things in R, and like most of you, they’ve just sort of grown up naturally. Now that I’m putting out something in print regarding stats using R, I feel the ne…

My big thought about tidyverse is personally I use ggplot2 and my text mining has always used tidytext. I also use data.table rather than data.frame, but wonder if my users will be comfortable with it. I mean, I could do a whole book (as most of us could) on “Best Ideas in R analyses as of 2019”, b…

Also: thanks awfully for the Medium article on the BBC. I’m with them—I wouldn’t submit or publish something except from ggplot2. But i wonder if I’ll have to spend too much time explaining what the grammar is, and why aev() is a sensible thing.

If you're teaching statistics, your goal for code should be whatever's easiest to read and understand. Code is the price paid to convey the idea, so be frugal. I agree with @slacey . Unless you're teaching students how to munge data or create pipelines, you shouldn't need most of the tidyverse. E…

Extremely well said, N. As I sat to plan the book (which, again is intermediate-level, so linear model effect leverage plots, clustering dendrograms, Neural net and CART output, &c. I had gathered a long list of methods and wondered if ggplot2 would make a better choice for those cases. I love ggpl…

So far the response has been great, but it's interesting that there have been people heaviliy ggplot and others heavy base graphics. I'm used to doing text mining in tidyverse, mostly because I don't do text mining very often. I"m learning more and more about it (and increasing my page count) -- is…

[image] nwerth: Base functions may not be as easy to work with, but that's not the reader's problem Surely it is, if you actually want them to use what you’re teaching. [image] leecreighton: Maybe I should just gather the authors of all the tidyverse things and propose my question to the…

Well, see, there's the rub. I'm a really, really, really big proponent of looking at data graphically. I can't decide if this will be an official or an unofficial theme of the book, but I want them looking at their data first. (I worked for more than a decade on a piece of software named JMP, from …

Well if you want to take a graphical approach, then I think ggplot2 would be even more important! That would allow you to focus on the important part of visualisation (mapping variables to things you can perceive) rather than the more mechanical drawing lines on paper metaphor of R. I think you’re …

Of course @hadley 's spot-on about tidyverse's tibble and the data.table package. Occasionally, I go all sixes-and-sevens when rushing my thinking about something important, and my communication suffers. I was simplifying data.table to only a large-data-set version of data.frame. Similarly, I was thi…

Using an external software to visualise is a big obstacle to your ideal of visualisations first, see it as an opportunity to improve, it will pay off. "Mapping variables to things you can perceive", to borrow Hadley's terms, forces you to structure your approach, and makes it easy to switch variabl…

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